David Lepage AUTHOR: David Lepage | CATEGORY: Technologies

November 18, 2010

In Response to NLPIP Streetlights for Collector Roads Addendum

Response to NLPIP Streetlights for Collector Roads Addendum

The LRC report released recently has sparked some interesting and constructive debates across the Internet and the lighting industry (read our reaction to the initial report). The LRC has published an addendum to its study on November 9th, featuring tests conducted with more recent luminaires, and released a statement on November 16th. Here’s what I think of it.

First, I must say I’m pleasantly surprised – my hat goes off to the people at LRC for such a quick response. The LRC reacting so promptly shows that the industry and the specifiers can rely on them as a valuable source of information.

If I may, however, I would like to make a few comments because I think we could use more numbers and details about the tests conducted and the luminaires.

  • For example, when the LRC mentions that the chosen luminaires respect “either the illuminance or the luminance roadway lighting criteria,” they should let us know which luminaire respected what criteria.
  • What does it mean to respect the RP-8 standard “without over-lighting?” It would be very interesting to know more precisely at what point it becomes over-lighting for the LRC, as people tend to interpret this differently. We know the minimum requirements, but not the actual performance.
  • The uniformity of the tested luminaires should be published so specifiers know if there is a link to be drawn between the cost and the quality of a luminaire.
  • While I appreciate the fact that the LRC wants to compare oranges to oranges, I’m not sure if it’s right to use the same Light Loss Factor (LLF). The difference may be small, but the LLF is still not the same for HPS and LED and their method is consequently not representative of real-life.
  • The LRC attributed a 30,000 hours lifespan to HPS, but it usually is around 24,000. Except maybe for non-cycling HPS lamps, but they come at a premium and this would influence the value life cycle cost. The upfront cost, the relamping cost, and the relamping frequency are all influenced by this.
  • I’m not very comfortable with the fact that they still consider relamping LEDs at 25,000 hours. Even though the graph also shows an example of different relative costs, relamping at 25,000 hours is not a realistic scenario and, at first glance, the graph makes LEDs appear as a very expensive option. But maybe that’s just me.
  • The prices of two luminaires “were not available from the manufacturer representatives.” So instead, the LRC used the prices of other luminaires. The difference may or may not be significant – we simply don’t know – consequently, I think the validity of the conclusions could be questioned, at least for these two luminaires.

So, overall, my point is that the LRC did some great work – and fast. But if they could also provide the data that is missing, it would be even better!

Comments

Kerry
19.11.2010

The most obvious question to me is: Why consider LED’s if the only parameter you “allow” them an advantage in is power consumption per luminaire?

The real tangible advantages to LED’s readily apparent to the average person are both reduced power consumption AND longer life. (Leave aside the more esoteric elements for the moment). It almost looks like the test parameters are stilted toward favoring HPS.

While I’m quick to admit the life expectancy of LED’s is heavily dependent upon the proper engineering of a luminaire to manage the thermal profile, they do last longer than HPS when properly applied and they do maintain their output over a longer time period. Considering those parameters would dramatically alter the cost analysis.

Barry L. Zimmerman
19.11.2010

Although not a certainty estimating cost to replace LED lighting elements is like gazing into a crystal ball for an answer. Every highway luminaire equipped LED lighting element is in fact a made to order or custom product. HID lamp and ballast cost are well established and more importantly the replacements are readily available at local supply houses. There is no established requirement for luminaire manufacturers to maintain a guaranteed supply of replacement LED modules/assembly for any period of time. HID product pricing is consistent throughout the industry and has seen little or no change for many years, especially when purchased in quantities as expected by a large user.

David Lepage
22.11.2010

Thank you for your comments. You are both making very interesting points.

I also agree that the study could have considered other parameters — LEDs are not only about the price, they’re about better uniformity, lower energy consumption, better color rendition, etc.

As for the the price vs. supply issue, this will probably change as the market adopts LEDs and projects multiply… It will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

Terry O'Toole
24.11.2010

Not one mention of Glare ! Seems as though we are willing to accept what would be considered “disabling glare” in another source as not impacting “seeability” to utilize the magical green solution. Potential is great once pragmatic solutions can emerge.

David Lepage
24.11.2010

I agree with you, Terry. Unfortunately, this is something that the report has completely left out. Not all luminaires/optical systems are designed properly and you can not evaluate the capability of a technology to meet a certain application based solely on one factor, such as the cost, or the energy savings.
As for us, at Philips Lumec, we are working very hard to design optics that reduce or eliminate glare completely. LEDs require dealing with a punctual and very intense source of light, instead of a more diffuse one and I think our LifeLED is a good example of what can be accomplished.

Alberto Adame
07.01.2011

I’ve read all your comments and I’m agree with all of you, but in my opinion NLPIP has compared actual instalations with designs made spesific for HPS which have pole height and spacings that require adjustments for LED fixtures.

The Roadstar non cut-off version is not mentioned on the comparations and the LED luminaires selected for the study has not opportunity to HPS due their isocandel light distribution.

Hamid
18.04.2011

I Agree With LED Research For Improvment Lm/w And Reducing Cost But Here Is My Question Both HID And LED Are Full Efficient Lamps, Is That Right Replacing An Efficient Lamp With Other Efficient One?

Marc-Antoine Vachon
21.04.2011

I agree with you that both HPS and LED lamps are efficient. But LED are more efficient that HPS and allow to save energy while providing the same light levels and sometimes even better uniformities.

So in this case, I think it’s right to replace an efficient lamp by another efficient one if the second one gives the same results while saving energy.

Armando
27.04.2011

First the disclaimer I work for Empower Electronics (empowerelec.com). Second, it is my personal opinion that HPS is a very viable light source for roadways, especially highways. I understand that 80% of center-line miles are local and rural roads but they are not illuminated to the extent of collectors and highways.

HPS is a fairly efficient light source and with emerging digital technology (electronic ballasts) can reach efficacies equal to LED with probably a lower life cycle cost once all factors are considered.

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